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Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://neopaquita.es/@VaryIngweion" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>VaryIngweion</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://alvarobayon.com/@curiosabiologia" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>curiosabiologia</span></a></span> </p><p>No tengo una solucion lista, pero puede ser que ya es posible con <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/libervia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>libervia</span></a> por <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@Goffi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Goffi</span></a></span>.</p><p>Sino, debe ser posible con un poco de <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Python</span></a>, <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/slixmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>slixmpp</span></a> y <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/aiohttp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>aiohttp</span></a>, verdad?</p><p><a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/activitypub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>activitypub</span></a></p>
XSF: XMPP Standards Foundation<p>The <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> Newsletter for March 2025 is out!</p><p>Read about the latest XMPP universe updates and the latest updates on our <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/standards" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>standards</span></a>!<br> <br><a href="https://xmpp.org/2025/04/the-xmpp-newsletter-march-2025/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">xmpp.org/2025/04/the-xmpp-news</span><span class="invisible">letter-march-2025/</span></a></p><p>Enjoy reading! 📰 ☕ :xmpp: </p><p><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>jabber</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>chat</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/interoperability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>interoperability</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rtc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>rtc</span></a><br><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/decentralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>decentralization</span></a></p>
XSF: XMPP Standards Foundation<p>The <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> Newsletter for February 2025 is out!</p><p>Read about the latest XMPP universe updates and the latest updates on our <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/standards" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>standards</span></a>!</p><p><a href="https://xmpp.org/2025/03/the-xmpp-newsletter-february-2025/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">xmpp.org/2025/03/the-xmpp-news</span><span class="invisible">letter-february-2025/</span></a></p><p>Enjoy reading! 📰 ☕ :xmpp: </p><p><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>jabber</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>chat</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/interoperability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>interoperability</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/rtc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>rtc</span></a><br><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/decentralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>decentralization</span></a></p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@AskSteve" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>AskSteve</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@sturmsucht" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>sturmsucht</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@urbanprivacy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>urbanprivacy</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>xmpp</span></a></span> </p><p>Nichts gegen neue Chat-Apps. Aber ich bin seit ca. 2014 bei <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> (bevor es Signal oder Matrix gab bzw. mir bekannt gewesen wären) und es funktioniert gut. Mit gateways habe ich auch Zugang zu IRC und Matrix. Für einen Wechsel fehlt der Leidensdruck 🙂</p><p>Delta ist OK, aber es gibt noch keine native Linux-App, was mir sehr wichtig ist. Und (noch) keine Gateways zu IRC, Matrix, <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>, daher derzeit für mich nicht interessant.</p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@sturmsucht" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>sturmsucht</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@urbanprivacy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>urbanprivacy</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>xmpp</span></a></span></p><p>Es ging im Original-Post um <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/UnplugTrump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UnplugTrump</span></a> und "weg von <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/BigTech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BigTech</span></a>". Signal hat sicherlich Vorzüge gegenüber WA, u.a. kann man dem Ladens wohl mehr vertrauen als Mark&nbsp;Z. Aber im Hinblick auf <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/digitaleSouver%C3%A4nit%C3%A4t" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>digitaleSouveränität</span></a> hat man nichts gewonnen. Das hat mit Moral nichts zu tun, sondern ist einfach so.</p><p>Es gibt außer <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> natürlich noch viele andere freie, föderierte Optionen. Ich habe diese genannt, weil ich sie kenne und nutze.</p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@urbanprivacy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>urbanprivacy</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/UnplugTrump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UnplugTrump</span></a>, daher Signal in der Amazon Cloud von Jeff&nbsp;B., einem DJT-<a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Broligarch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Broligarch</span></a>en? Vom Regen in die Traufe!</p><p>Threema ist dbzgl. besser, zumal es Users nicht zwingt, ihre Telefonnummer rauszurücken.</p><p>Aber <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/digitaleSouver%C3%A4nit%C3%A4t" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>digitaleSouveränität</span></a> bietet der Silo nicht, da man sich den Server nicht aussuchen kann, z.B. in der <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/EU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EU</span></a> oder <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/selfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>selfHosting</span></a>.</p><p>Zum Glück gibt es seit 1999 einen Internet-Chat-<a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Standard" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Standard</span></a>, der freie Föderation erlaubt wie Email oder das <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fediverse</span></a>.</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>xmpp</span></a></span></p><p><a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a></p>
Neustradamus :xmpp: :linux:<p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Kaidan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Kaidan</span></a> 0.12.2 has been released (<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/KaidanIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KaidanIM</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/QXmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>QXmpp</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Qt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Qt</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/KDE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KDE</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a>) <a href="https://kaidan.im/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">kaidan.im/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Neustradamus :xmpp: :linux:<p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a> 13.0.1 has been released (<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ProsodyIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ProsodyIM</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Lua" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Lua</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/lxmppd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>lxmppd</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/SCRAM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SCRAM</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/SCRAMSHA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SCRAMSHA</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/SCRAMSHA1" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SCRAMSHA1</span></a> / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/SCRAMSHA256" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SCRAMSHA256</span></a>) <a href="https://prosody.im/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">prosody.im/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@zeank" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>zeank</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://rheinland.social/@derRainer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>derRainer</span></a></span> </p><p>Siehe auch <a href="https://search.jabber.network/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">search.jabber.network/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> von <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@sjn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>sjn</span></a></span></p><p><a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a></p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://absolutelyhar.am/@bakervai001" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>bakervai001</span></a></span></p><p>Checkout <a href="https://joinjabber.org/docs/servers/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">joinjabber.org/docs/servers/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> by <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://indieweb.social/@joinjabber" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>joinjabber</span></a></span> and <a href="https://providers.xmpp.net/#providers" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">providers.xmpp.net/#providers</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> by <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp_providers" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>xmpp_providers</span></a></span>.</p><p><a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a></p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://en.osm.town/@contrapunctus" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>contrapunctus</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@simendsjo" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>simendsjo</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://functional.cafe/@jackdaniel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jackdaniel</span></a></span></p><p>👍 for <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a>.</p><p>I use IRC, too, but via an <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> gateway, <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/biboumi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>biboumi</span></a>. </p><p>Some modern chat features are not distracting, but pretty nice and I'm missing them in IRC. Like:</p><p> - get all your messages after being offline<br> - message reactions<br> - message replies<br> - multi-line messages<br> - avatar images</p><p>Matter of taste, of course.</p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://troet.cafe/@stubenhocker" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>stubenhocker</span></a></span></p><p>Ist ein pun auf's <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/BKA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BKA</span></a> (<a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Bundeskriminalamt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Bundeskriminalamt</span></a>), welches <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> als erste (von neun) Säulen des <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Cybercrime" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cybercrime</span></a> sieht:</p><p><a href="https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/Lagebilder/Cybercrime/2021/Code2.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformatione</span><span class="invisible">n/StatistikenLagebilder/Lagebilder/Cybercrime/2021/Code2.html</span></a></p><p>Keine Ahnung, ob das außer mir noch jemand lustig findet 🙂</p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@bitsoffreedom" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>bitsoffreedom</span></a></span> </p><p>Signal as an easy-to-use and probably more secure WA replacement? Sure.</p><p>But for <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/digitalSovereignty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>digitalSovereignty</span></a> we should go for something really free and federated, just like the fediverse. There are various options, of course. Each with pros and cons attached.</p><p>(My personal favourite is <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a>, which exists since 1999 and is extremely easy to use thanks to <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Quicksy</span></a> and its Indian cousin <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prav</span></a>.)</p><p><a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/UseJabberDoCrime" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UseJabberDoCrime</span></a></p>
mathieui<p>In 3 days, the jabber.fr wiki, a niche specialized wiki with a lot of outdated info and only one or two occasional contributors at the moment, has served more than 200 000 pages to shitty LLM bots.</p><p>Our PHP and mariadb processes are constantly hammered by them, most of which are masquerading as normal traffic with browser user agents.</p><p>Is there a better solution than blocking off entire countries and cloud provider subnets at the moment?</p><p><a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/ai" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ai</span></a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/llm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>llm</span></a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>jabber</span></a></p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://lemmy.ca/u/kionite231" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>kionite231</span></a></span></p><p>The only one, that is maintained and developed is probably <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Emacs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Emacs</span></a>-<a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a>:</p><p><a href="https://codeberg.org/emacs-jabber/emacs-jabber" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">codeberg.org/emacs-jabber/emac</span><span class="invisible">s-jabber</span></a></p><p>It's fun, but I don't use it, because it's missing most modern <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> features, such as MAM, <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a>, message replies, message reactions…</p><p>If I knew a little bit more of <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Elisp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Elisp</span></a> — and had more time at hand…</p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://nerdculture.de/@ulfi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ulfi</span></a></span> </p><p>Hi, <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Debian</span></a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> team member here, and very likely the person who uploaded <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Dino</span></a> and <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gajim</span></a> indirectly to your Mint distro 🙂</p><p>I'm using both Dino and Gajim on a daily base and they are pretty stable for me. Dino always crashes after disabling an account (but how often do you do that 🙂) and Gajim almost never crashes for me.</p><p>Note, that both <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> clients have debug options. Maybe you can find out, what's wrong?</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@dino" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>dino</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span></p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://floss.social/@jgoerzen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jgoerzen</span></a></span> </p><p>I agree and I would not even say, that my preferred solutions (mainly <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> or other federated systems) would be more secure for the threat models Signal tries to counter.</p><p>But, of course I can't recommend Signal to my family or to my friends, because they would not be able to reach me then and would wonder why I don't eat my own cat food 🙂</p><p>However, esp. with <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Quicksy</span></a> (which has an Indian variant now, called <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prav</span></a>), I'ld say it's equally easy to get even non-tech people on board.</p>
Ramesh #NotGoingBack<p>⬆️ <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://framapiaf.org/@debacle" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>debacle</span></a></span> </p><p>&gt;&gt; 1. I don't want to use Google Android or Apple iOS. There is no first class client for Linux/<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Debian</span></a>/<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mobian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mobian</span></a>.</p><p>Build one.</p><p>&gt;&gt; 2. I don't want to fuel the Amazon cloud of Jeff B., but prefer services in my home "country", the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/EU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EU</span></a>.</p><p>Use <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/OpenStack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpenStack</span></a> or ask an EU provider to use it.</p><p>&gt;&gt; 3. I don't want to use a phone number for creating an account. E.g. it makes multi-account setups hard.</p><p>🔥 👍 </p><p>&gt;&gt; …grey beard, but I'll stay with <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> 🙂</p><p>How about <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mastodon</span></a>? 😉 </p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://floss.social/@jgoerzen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jgoerzen</span></a></span></p>
Mai :v_trans:<p>Just reading through the <a href="https://soc.saiyajin.space/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a> / <a href="https://soc.saiyajin.space/tags/jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>jabber</span></a> <a href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6120.html#section-4.2" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">core specification</a> bc I initially wanted to write an own jabber &lt;-&gt; matrix bridge (the ones that exist either dont work anymore, aren't maintained or didn't work with my usecase), and I seriously consider just scraping that idea.</p><p>It's even more awefull of an protocol than HTTP; no length-prefix of messages, malformed xml, and genneraly try-and-error mentality for most of the protocol.</p>
Debacle<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://floss.social/@jgoerzen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jgoerzen</span></a></span> </p><p>I'm sure, that Signal is secure (for its intended use cases) and can be trusted. But… 🙂</p><p>1. I don't want to use Google Android or Apple iOS. There is no first class client for Linux/<a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Debian</span></a>/<a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Mobian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mobian</span></a>.</p><p>2. I don't want to fuel the Amazon cloud of Jeff&nbsp;B., but prefer services in my home "country", the <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/EU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EU</span></a>.</p><p>3. I don't want to use a phone number for creating an account. E.g. it makes multi-account setups hard.</p><p>Call me an old-fashioned grey beard, but I'll stay with <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> 🙂</p>
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