@bakervai001

Checkout https://joinjabber.org/docs/servers/ by @joinjabber and https://providers.xmpp.net/#providers by @xmpp_providers.

@contrapunctus @simendsjo @jackdaniel

for #Jabber.

I use IRC, too, but via an #XMPP gateway, #biboumi.

Some modern chat features are not distracting, but pretty nice and I'm missing them in IRC. Like:

- get all your messages after being offline
- message reactions
- message replies
- multi-line messages
- avatar images

Matter of taste, of course.

@stubenhocker

Ist ein pun auf's #BKA (#Bundeskriminalamt), welches #Jabber als erste (von neun) Säulen des #Cybercrime sieht:

https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/Lagebilder/Cybercrime/2021/Code2.html

Keine Ahnung, ob das außer mir noch jemand lustig findet

@bitsoffreedom

Signal as an easy-to-use and probably more secure WA replacement? Sure.

But for #digitalSovereignty we should go for something really free and federated, just like the fediverse. There are various options, of course. Each with pros and cons attached.

(My personal favourite is #Jabber, which exists since 1999 and is extremely easy to use thanks to #Quicksy and its Indian cousin #Prav.)

@kionite231

The only one, that is maintained and developed is probably #Emacs-#Jabber:

https://codeberg.org/emacs-jabber/emacs-jabber

It's fun, but I don't use it, because it's missing most modern #XMPP features, such as MAM, #OMEMO, message replies, message reactions…

If I knew a little bit more of #Elisp — and had more time at hand…

@ulfi

Hi, #Debian #XMPP team member here, and very likely the person who uploaded #Dino and #Gajim indirectly to your Mint distro

I'm using both Dino and Gajim on a daily base and they are pretty stable for me. Dino always crashes after disabling an account (but how often do you do that ) and Gajim almost never crashes for me.

Note, that both #Jabber clients have debug options. Maybe you can find out, what's wrong?

@dino @gajim

@jgoerzen

I agree and I would not even say, that my preferred solutions (mainly #Jabber or other federated systems) would be more secure for the threat models Signal tries to counter.

But, of course I can't recommend Signal to my family or to my friends, because they would not be able to reach me then and would wonder why I don't eat my own cat food

However, esp. with #Quicksy (which has an Indian variant now, called #Prav), I'ld say it's equally easy to get even non-tech people on board.

@debacle

>> 1. I don't want to use Google Android or Apple iOS. There is no first class client for Linux/#Debian/#Mobian.

Build one.

>> 2. I don't want to fuel the Amazon cloud of Jeff B., but prefer services in my home "country", the #EU.

Use #OpenStack or ask an EU provider to use it.

>> 3. I don't want to use a phone number for creating an account. E.g. it makes multi-account setups hard.

>> …grey beard, but I'll stay with #Jabber

How about #Mastodon?

@jgoerzen

@jgoerzen

I'm sure, that Signal is secure (for its intended use cases) and can be trusted. But…

1. I don't want to use Google Android or Apple iOS. There is no first class client for Linux/#Debian/#Mobian.

2. I don't want to fuel the Amazon cloud of Jeff B., but prefer services in my home "country", the #EU.

3. I don't want to use a phone number for creating an account. E.g. it makes multi-account setups hard.

Call me an old-fashioned grey beard, but I'll stay with #Jabber

@qbi @Gerbsen

Ja, tatsächlich schalte ich die #OMEMO-Verschlüsselung häufig ab. Wäre für mich blöd, wenn das nicht ginge.

@Gerbsen @qbi @signalapp

"Nutzt Signal!"

Außer, wenn man kein Google Android/Apple iOS hat/haben will.

Außer, wenn man nicht Amazon AWS nutzen/finanzieren will oder befürchtet, DJT könnte jederzeit den Zugang sperren.

Außer, wenn man seine Telefonnummer nicht als Chat-Id verwenden will.

Email vs. Signal ist eine falsche Dichotomie. Es gibt freie, föderierte Alternativen mit Clients für die meisten Betriebssysteme und ohne Telefonnummernzwang.