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Wikipedia is a problem for Musk/Trump. Not, as Musk says, because it's "woke." Because it's one of our last reliable tethers to a consensus reality. Therefore, an antidote to disinformation.
It's not making anyone money. It's not enshittified. Of course it's not perfect—it's an endeavor of imperfect cooperating humans. But it needs protection and support.
https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-takes-aim-wikipedia-fund-raising-editing-political-woke-2005742
@gleick Download Wiki now before Musk and trump destroy it.
@Darkphoenix@universeodon.com@SnowshadowII @gleick
Not a techie here, so if this is a dumb question, forgive me.
Wouldn't you need a LOT of bytes to download all of Wikipedia? Like significantly more than my computer has available?
NOT a silly question. (there are NO silly tech questions)
Here's the solution:
https://fedifreu.de/@chpietsch/113710470289148980
ETA: and if you don't understand how to ...send out an S.O>S to all the techies on fedi using the Tech and Fediverse and computer hashtags--someone is sure to reply
@SnowshadowII @Darkphoenix @gleick thank you. This is one reason why I have been buying more books lately. I'm just getting to collecting the reference books that I want to have. This will definitely go into my files.
@arisummerland Books are always an excellent choice to keep on hand.
@Darkphoenix @gleick
@SnowshadowII @arisummerland @Darkphoenix @gleick
Books are dead. /s
@gekko3k But they speak volumes.
@arisummerland @Darkphoenix @gleick
@gekko3k @SnowshadowII @Darkphoenix @gleick sometimes I say apologies to the trees
@arisummerland @gekko3k @SnowshadowII @Darkphoenix @gleick
The #histodon I know keeps reminding me that nothing, absolutely *nothing*, currently used to store information beats printed paper for longevity.
If you want something to survive your current cultural milieux, put it on archival paper, in a dry cave. Better yet, **move** to that dry cave, and start a religious organizataion which eschews technology and embraces food forests.
@Amgine @gekko3k @SnowshadowII @Darkphoenix @gleick Heh heh I feel this!
@arisummerland @SnowshadowII @gleick I'm always looking for reference books on certain specialties, like herbs. I also kept all my textbooks from college.
@SnowshadowII @gleick so, its stored in the Torrents?
@SnowshadowII @gleick like a backup?
@Darkphoenix @gleick
Unlike most people here, I am really bad with providing verbal instructions, I am more of a "here, let me show you using hands on" teacher, I am sorry. But if you give a shout out to Fedivers someone will explain it better, in the meantime...
Here's an explanation to start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent
@SnowshadowII @gleick thank you!
@Darkphoenix @gleick
You're welcome.
You still download it but using torrent prevents a massive traffic jam on the internet
@SnowshadowII @Darkphoenix @gleick you used to be able to hack/make an "off-grid" wiki ... https://www.hackster.io/news/stay-informed-during-the-apocalypse-with-an-off-grid-wikipedia-device-b37332c7bc1d
@martin_fff Edited to add: Perhaps you might be interested in adding US and tech hashtags to your reply?
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Thank you. 
@Darkphoenix @gleick
@martin_fff @SnowshadowII @Darkphoenix @gleick You still can from the software side, the @kiwix software allows you to have your own offline copy 
@hlabrande @martin_fff @SnowshadowII @gleick @kiwix
I sent this to my Gmail and starred it, so I can find it later
@martin_fff @SnowshadowII @Darkphoenix @gleick this stuff is no joke. Even if it has flaws it's one of the most important sites. Musk attacking it is a proof of value.
@SnowshadowII @gleick and the volume is shared over several nodes. So kinda similar to block chains
@Darkphoenix
And you can purchase external hard drives (get an SSD- they are sturdy) for less than $100 dollars. Prices are scaled to how much data you want to store) they come with the cord and just plug it in --works like your computer internal hard drive.
@SnowshadowII @gleick I have a 1TB passport drive. My 3rd*, because I have a massive music library, which, believe it or not, the majority of which was actually paid for.
* My third because I was told that 3 year operation life, and it was closer to 10 years, so I got a second, copied one to the other, but the second didn't survive baggage handling on a cross country flight, so I bought a third.
@SnowshadowII @gleick oh sorry, I'm in California, and I use Android phone and windows laptop
@SnowshadowII @gleick funny thing, last time I checked the original one is still functional, and its about 15 yo. (Back then they actually looked like the old little red address books)
@Darkphoenix you're all set then.@gleick
@SnowshadowII @gleick again, thank you. And Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, etc. I'm off to go stir some shit about the congresswoman in a nursing home, who's still collecting a paycheck.
@Darkphoenix @SnowshadowII @gleick The Wikipedia dumps everyone's talking about here are text-only, no images.
As a result, the files are smaller than one might expect; under 30GB. Smaller than a Windows OS install, smaller than most triple-A games. Would fit on a modern smartphone easily. My local computer store often hands out USB drives bigger than that for free.
So the data is safe enough, many copies can be made. It's the social network Wikipedia creates and is created by that's vulnerable.
@WesternInfidels @Darkphoenix @SnowshadowII @gleick and they only have the current versions of the articles. Not the history, not the talk pages, etc.
@Ash_Crow @WesternInfidels @Darkphoenix @SnowshadowII @gleick This. 
While just current versions may suffice for looking up information, the history is important to documenting provenance of the information, finding things that were already intentionally buried/rewritten (big example: "Web 2.0" rewritten to match crypto cult's contrast to their "Web 3.0" scam), etc.
No, you can actually easily fit its text on a hard disk or SSD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3ASize_of_Wikipedia
There are some websites backed by data far too large for one computer to manage (commonly called “big data”), but Wikipedia is, somewhat surprisingly, not one of them.
Although all the images and videos and such add to its size. Not sure how large those all are.
@argv_minus_one @SnowshadowII @gleick
That was actually my biggest question. Thank you.
@Darkphoenix @SnowshadowII @gleick Fun fact right?!
@JustinH @SnowshadowII @gleick in 2019, my daughter was working in a geriatric care facility in TN, (I was working in CA as a in home caregiver) you know comparing notes, and she told me some serious horror stories. Things you wouldn't want to hear at dinner.
@JustinH @SnowshadowII @gleick just realized that that is less than my music library!
@Darkphoenix @SnowshadowII @gleick 30 gb for a compressed dump of the english wiki text, excluding images.
@Darkphoenix
The kiwix .zim file of English Wikipedia (but without videos) comes to around 110 GB.
@SnowshadowII @gleick